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Today's topics:
* Windows Mobile 7 will have no copy/paste??? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/42c0772d712c2bf3?hl=en
* Synching outlook 2003 with HTC Desire - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/c34db3fb032c0157?hl=en
* PC compatible smartphones? - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/d276f67648ea8c21?hl=en
* How to Transfer SMS/ Contacts for Windows Mobile Phone - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/c9e65bc06fef803f?hl=en
* How to remove DRM from Nokia Music Store protected wma from Comes With Music
- 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/a6695e003e6a2d0f?hl=en
* Windows mobile Contacts Backup - How to backup contacts from mobile phone to
pc - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/770f2e4f4ff3dcb5?hl=en
* Big Bertha Thing progress - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/6fa4cc45216fb9ba?hl=en
* Big Bertha Thing invite - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/a8c6e482056c16d4?hl=en
* SEX Videos of KATE WINSLET - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/a1bda6aefb8cc684?hl=en
* Big Bertha Thing gamma - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/4c82c65d8cb1624e?hl=en
* Good UK Smartphone sites? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/767029da049249a6?hl=en
* VTD-XML 2.10 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/3528062b96492798?hl=en
* generic rndis driver - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/92ef2e987f1aa1b7?hl=en
* Windows Phone7 Samsung Focus Sucks - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/9f54167ac27f7bdf?hl=en
* Big Bertha Thing particle - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/908dd1f0c2e9113f?hl=en
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TOPIC: Windows Mobile 7 will have no copy/paste???
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/42c0772d712c2bf3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 10:14 am
From: Todd Allcock
At 07 Dec 2010 07:48:52 +0000 John Doe wrote:
> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote:
>
> > I have read that there will be no copy/paste clipboard in
> > Windows Mobile 7 but I use that feature a lot in 6.5. e.g. after
> > I went to the dentist today he gave me two more appointments - I
> > copied today's appointment and pasted twice on the appropriate
> > days and times and was done in less than a minute. In replying
> > to an email I copied some text from another email and a link
> > from Internet explorer. I often find uses for this feature on
> > my touch screen phone that save me time keying in or
> > transcribing text.
>
> Anybody know, is anything happening with this issue?
>
> The iPhone barely even has a single item clipboard.
Microsoft says Copy/Paste will be be in the first Windows Phone 7 update
due in late January. The current lack of it makes using the otherwise
easy-to-use OS pretty awkward for me, and I typically keep my SIM in my
older Windows Mobile phone, rather than my WP7 device.
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TOPIC: Synching outlook 2003 with HTC Desire
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/c34db3fb032c0157?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 10:17 am
From: Todd Allcock
At 07 Dec 2010 08:04:32 +0000 John Doe wrote:
> Umm, come to think of it...
>
> This group is really only a name on a server, so it does not
> disappear just because Microsoft stops serving UseNet, unless
> Microsoft is your UseNet server.
The fact that we're still here six months later seems to support that,
but the traffic is down to just a few posters and some spammers. When MS
closed the web interface and shutdown the free newsserver to the group,
that took the bulk of the traffic with it.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 10:51 am
From: John Doe
Todd Allcock <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>> This group is really only a name on a server, so it does not
>> disappear just because Microsoft stops serving UseNet, unless
>> Microsoft is your UseNet server.
>
>
> The fact that we're still here six months later seems to support
> that,
My understanding is that all UseNet servers keep their own list of
UseNet groups, that it is entirely independent except for the
sharing of posts. The only possibility would be something like
Microsoft being able to prevent "Microsoft" in a group name, but
that is unlikely and probably no reason for it.
> but the traffic is down to just a few posters and some spammers.
The most recent claims of the demise of UseNet have been prompted
by the reduction in posts over the last many years. But I see that
(maybe with the exception of a newly formed group promoting some
commercial product) World Wide Web groups are suffering the same
reduction in traffic. Maybe the downturn in the world economy, at
least among democracies, is hurting Internet discussion. China is
doing well with a surplus, and (coincidently?) China is where
plenty of UseNet traffic is coming from.
Whatever... Good luck and have fun.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 8:53 am
From: "Todd Allcock"
"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
news:4cfe821f$0$5792$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com...
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>
>>> This group is really only a name on a server, so it does not
>>> disappear just because Microsoft stops serving UseNet, unless
>>> Microsoft is your UseNet server.
>>
>>
>> The fact that we're still here six months later seems to support
>> that,
>
> My understanding is that all UseNet servers keep their own list of
> UseNet groups, that it is entirely independent except for the
> sharing of posts. The only possibility would be something like
> Microsoft being able to prevent "Microsoft" in a group name, but
> that is unlikely and probably no reason for it.
Agreed. Once created, it's hard, or impossible, to "kill" a newsgroup, but,
like a garden, it gets ugly if untended! ;)
>> but the traffic is down to just a few posters and some spammers.
>
> The most recent claims of the demise of UseNet have been prompted
> by the reduction in posts over the last many years. But I see that
> (maybe with the exception of a newly formed group promoting some
> commercial product) World Wide Web groups are suffering the same
> reduction in traffic. Maybe the downturn in the world economy, at
> least among democracies, is hurting Internet discussion. China is
> doing well with a surplus, and (coincidently?) China is where
> plenty of UseNet traffic is coming from.
That may be true, but in the Pocket PC newsgroup (microsoft.public.pocketpc)
there were 118 posts in May, the last month before Microsoft "pulled the
plug" and 10 posts in November. "The demise of UseNet" hasn't caused a 90%
reduction in traffic in six months!
The "regular" posters in the MS groups, particularly most of the MVPs, have
taken their ball and gone home, switching to the Microsoft "sanctioned"
web-based support forums. While that doesn't "kill" a newsgroup, for all
intents and purposes it does.
My point, really, is just that if someone has come here looking for support,
the odds of finding it have dwindled considerably, unless Bob Zaret or I
happen to know the answer! ;) (Sorry to put you on the spot, Bob, but a
quick look at my newsreader seems to show you and I are the only people to
have responded to a post here since June!)
> Whatever... Good luck and have fun.
You too. Stick around- if nothing else, this group is ideal for a little
quiet meditation. ;)
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 9:20 am
From: ftr
On 09/12/2010 17:53, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>
> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4cfe821f$0$5792$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com...
>> Todd Allcock <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John Doe wrote:
>>
>>>> This group is really only a name on a server, so it does not
>>>> disappear just because Microsoft stops serving UseNet, unless
>>>> Microsoft is your UseNet server.
>>>
>>>
>>> The fact that we're still here six months later seems to support
>>> that,
>>
>> My understanding is that all UseNet servers keep their own list of
>> UseNet groups, that it is entirely independent except for the
>> sharing of posts. The only possibility would be something like
>> Microsoft being able to prevent "Microsoft" in a group name, but
>> that is unlikely and probably no reason for it.
>
> Agreed. Once created, it's hard, or impossible, to "kill" a newsgroup,
> but, like a garden, it gets ugly if untended! ;)
>
>
>>> but the traffic is down to just a few posters and some spammers.
>>
>> The most recent claims of the demise of UseNet have been prompted
>> by the reduction in posts over the last many years. But I see that
>> (maybe with the exception of a newly formed group promoting some
>> commercial product) World Wide Web groups are suffering the same
>> reduction in traffic. Maybe the downturn in the world economy, at
>> least among democracies, is hurting Internet discussion. China is
>> doing well with a surplus, and (coincidently?) China is where
>> plenty of UseNet traffic is coming from.
>
> That may be true, but in the Pocket PC newsgroup
> (microsoft.public.pocketpc) there were 118 posts in May, the last month
> before Microsoft "pulled the plug" and 10 posts in November. "The demise
> of UseNet" hasn't caused a 90% reduction in traffic in six months!
>
> The "regular" posters in the MS groups, particularly most of the MVPs,
> have taken their ball and gone home, switching to the Microsoft
> "sanctioned" web-based support forums. While that doesn't "kill" a
> newsgroup, for all intents and purposes it does.
>
> My point, really, is just that if someone has come here looking for
> support, the odds of finding it have dwindled considerably, unless Bob
> Zaret or I happen to know the answer! ;) (Sorry to put you on the spot,
> Bob, but a quick look at my newsreader seems to show you and I are the
> only people to have responded to a post here since June!)
>
>
>> Whatever... Good luck and have fun.
>
> You too. Stick around- if nothing else, this group is ideal for a little
> quiet meditation. ;)
>
>
>
So, where to go to ?
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TOPIC: PC compatible smartphones?
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/d276f67648ea8c21?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 8 2010 8:36 am
From: r_z_aret@pen_fact.com
On 07 Dec 2010 07:39:22 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>I have an iPhone 3G, it is okay. Would like a smart phone with
>better connectivity to my PC. Looking at the Samsung Captivate
>that is getting rave reviews, but apparently it is worse than the
>iPhone for PC connectivity and the GPS is flaky. My new smartphone
>should allow easy USB file transfer to and from my PC. Is anything
>like that available?
Windows Phone 7, the latest from Microsoft, uses Exchange to connect
to PCs, which means connection via network, not USB.
Microsoft is still supporting Windows Mobile, but not for retail. You
can still get some devices. I am very happy with my LG Fathom, which
runs Windows Mobile 6.5.3. Fast and reliable as a PDA. Good as a
phone. USB connection. Very nice screen. Internal GPS works very well
with some programs, not at all with others. Bluetooth GPS is less
reliable.
Microsoft set up this newsgroup to support their phones, but dropped
support for newsgroups in favor of forums. So you are not so likely to
find info on other phones here. I'm definitely not able to help.
>
>Thanks.
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Robert E. Zaret, MVP
PenFact, Inc.
20 Park Plaza, Suite 400
Boston, MA 02116
www.penfact.com
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 8 2010 10:53 am
From: John Doe
r_z_aret pen_fact.com wrote:
...
> Windows Phone 7, the latest from Microsoft, uses Exchange to
> connect to PCs, which means connection via network, not USB.
Oh brother. Thanks for the warning.
And it does not support copy and paste. No big surprise that
Microsoft is so corrupt that it is able to ignore the obvious
usefulness of copy and paste, probably just to ensure higher
profits by making the device unusable for copying data.
COPY AND PASTE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF COMPUTING.
Any company who does not know that should not be in the computer
business. You can assume that Microsoft and others are
stifling/hindering the technology for the sake of greater profits.
Their efforts to constrain users might be successful here in the
United States, but not anywhere else.
> Microsoft is still supporting Windows Mobile, but not for
> retail. You can still get some devices. I am very happy with my
> LG Fathom, which runs Windows Mobile 6.5.3. Fast and reliable as
> a PDA. Good as a phone. USB connection. Very nice screen.
> Internal GPS works very well with some programs, not at all with
> others. Bluetooth GPS is less reliable.
Thanks for that information.
> Microsoft set up this newsgroup to support their phones,
Technically speaking... Anyone can set up a newsgroup by asking
his (or her) server administrator to include a new UseNet group
name. And then the group gets accepted by other UseNet servers by
simply adding it to their list of groups.
> but dropped support for newsgroups in favor of forums.
Again technically speaking... Microsoft does not support this or
any other UseNet group. Unless there are some copyright problems
with including "Microsoft" in the name of a UseNet group, anyone
could have started the set of groups that begin with "Microsoft".
And (with interest) they would have been propagated the exact same
way that they were after Microsoft began serving them.
The only thing Microsoft can do (or has done) is stop being a
server for UseNet. But there are many UseNet servers to choose
from, some of them free. The list of UseNet groups is entirely
independent from one server to another.
If you mean that Microsoft is no longer going to give MVPs extra
credit (or whatever Microsoft gives MVPs) for answering questions
here or in other "Microsoft" labeled UseNet groups, you might be
right.
--
> So you are not so likely to
> find info on other phones here. I'm definitely not able to help.
>
>>
>>Thanks.
>
> -----------------------------------------
> To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>
> Robert E. Zaret, MVP
> PenFact, Inc.
> 20 Park Plaza, Suite 400
> Boston, MA 02116
> www.penfact.com
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 8:36 am
From: r_z_aret@pen_fact.com
On 08 Dec 2010 18:53:43 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>r_z_aret pen_fact.com wrote:
>
>...
>
>> Windows Phone 7, the latest from Microsoft, uses Exchange to
>> connect to PCs, which means connection via network, not USB.
>
>Oh brother. Thanks for the warning.
>
>And it does not support copy and paste. No big surprise that
Major update coming soon will support copy and paste.
>
>> Microsoft is still supporting Windows Mobile, but not for
>> retail. You can still get some devices. I am very happy with my
>> LG Fathom, which runs Windows Mobile 6.5.3. Fast and reliable as
>> a PDA. Good as a phone. USB connection. Very nice screen.
>> Internal GPS works very well with some programs, not at all with
>> others. Bluetooth GPS is less reliable.
>
>Thanks for that information.
>
>> Microsoft set up this newsgroup to support their phones,
>
>Technically speaking... Anyone can set up a newsgroup by asking
>his (or her) server administrator to include a new UseNet group
>name. And then the group gets accepted by other UseNet servers by
>simply adding it to their list of groups.
Which is how I'm getting it. But no one at Microsoft monitors it and
the traffic is _much_ lower. So answers are less likely.
-----------------------------------------
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PenFact, Inc.
20 Park Plaza, Suite 400
Boston, MA 02116
www.penfact.com
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 9:30 am
From: "Todd Allcock"
"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
news:4cffd437$0$23983$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com...
> r_z_aret pen_fact.com wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Windows Phone 7, the latest from Microsoft, uses Exchange to
>> connect to PCs, which means connection via network, not USB.
>
> Oh brother. Thanks for the warning.
To be fair, and to complete the answer, by "Exchange" Rob means "Exchange
Activesync," not an Exchange server. This means any sync product or service
that uses EAS will also sync with WP7 (though, as Rob said, not via USB,
only over-the-air.) This means Google Calendar/Gmail Contacts and/or
Hotmail/Live. For example, I sync Outlook on my PC to my WP7 device by
syncing Outlook with a Hotmail account (via Microsoft's "Outlook Connector"
plug-in) which allows me to keep my three Outlook PCs, my WP7 and my WM6.x
devices all in sync wirelessly and automatically.
> And it does not support copy and paste. No big surprise that
> Microsoft is so corrupt that it is able to ignore the obvious
> usefulness of copy and paste, probably just to ensure higher
> profits by making the device unusable for copying data.
MS back-burnered CnP and other features to get WP7 released before
Christmas. Frankly, to me, the whole OS seems a little rushed to meet a
released deadline. CnP has been promised for the first update, due by the
end of January. On the bright side, unlike the old WinMo days, Microsoft
will release updates to end-users directly, a la iPhone, rather than rely on
the device OEMs to create customized ROMs for each device, so ALL devices
will get upgraded.
> COPY AND PASTE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF COMPUTING.
YES IT IS. WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?
> Any company who does not know that should not be in the computer
> business. You can assume that Microsoft and others are
> stifling/hindering the technology for the sake of greater profits.
> Their efforts to constrain users might be successful here in the
> United States, but not anywhere else.
While I hate to argue with a perfect good and irrational conspiracy theory,
I fail to see how omitting CnP can increase profits, unless you are
misunderstanding what CnP on a mobile device is- we're talking about copying
and pasting bits of text, e.g. info from a webpage into an email, or copying
an URL into the browser address bar. How does preventing that boost
profits?
Believe me, after two months of using WP7, CnP is about 10 or 15 items down
the list of things I want MS to fix! ;)
WP7 is very iPhone like in many ways- all media has to synced to the device
from the desktop (using the Zune software, of course, rather than iTunes
like the iPhone.) There's no user-accessible file system- each app manages
its own files, and there's no PC-to-device file sync (other than for Zune
media,) requiring users either to email documents to and from the device, or
use a Sharepoint server. Third-party apps are "sandboxed" so they can't
access files created or used by other applications. To get a damn ebook
onto my WP7 device, I had to install a server app on my PC so the ebook app
could retrieve it from the server, because there's no way to copy it from PC
to device via USB, nor could the app retrieve it from an email attachment.
(This wasn't the ebook app developer's fault- he's constrained by the
limitations built into the OS.)
Like the iPhone, this OS was designed to be a "smartphone for dummies."
Which is fine if you're the target market for such a device, but I'm
apparently not, and still use my WM6.1 Sony X1 as my day-to-day phone.
>> Microsoft is still supporting Windows Mobile, but not for
>> retail. You can still get some devices. I am very happy with my
>> LG Fathom, which runs Windows Mobile 6.5.3. Fast and reliable as
>> a PDA. Good as a phone. USB connection. Very nice screen.
>> Internal GPS works very well with some programs, not at all with
>> others. Bluetooth GPS is less reliable.
>
> Thanks for that information.
>
>> Microsoft set up this newsgroup to support their phones,
>
> Technically speaking... Anyone can set up a newsgroup by asking
> his (or her) server administrator to include a new UseNet group
> name. And then the group gets accepted by other UseNet servers by
> simply adding it to their list of groups.
>
>> but dropped support for newsgroups in favor of forums.
>
> Again technically speaking... Microsoft does not support this or
> any other UseNet group. Unless there are some copyright problems
> with including "Microsoft" in the name of a UseNet group, anyone
> could have started the set of groups that begin with "Microsoft".
> And (with interest) they would have been propagated the exact same
> way that they were after Microsoft began serving them.
>
> The only thing Microsoft can do (or has done) is stop being a
> server for UseNet. But there are many UseNet servers to choose
> from, some of them free. The list of UseNet groups is entirely
> independent from one server to another.
True, but in this case, it was Microsoft itself who created the
microsoft.*.* hierarchy. Once started and picked up by various news
servers, however, the groups now continue without Microsoft's support or
influence. That said, they're withering on the proverbial vine.
> If you mean that Microsoft is no longer going to give MVPs extra
> credit (or whatever Microsoft gives MVPs) for answering questions
> here or in other "Microsoft" labeled UseNet groups, you might be
> right.
Also true. Apparently Rob and I aren't overtly concerned with such "brownie
points," but the other MVPs have apparently fled for MS' web-based support
forums, and with good reason- more people are using them for support than
the "abandoned" Usenet groups. The bulk of the few non-spam posts here and
in the PocketPC group since June have been from four or five "regulars."
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 11:39 am
From: John Doe
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote
>> r_z_aret pen_fact.com wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Windows Phone 7, the latest from Microsoft, uses Exchange to
>>> connect to PCs, which means connection via network, not USB.
>>
>> Oh brother. Thanks for the warning.
>
>
> To be fair...
> <snipped lotsa yada yada yada>
If you were trying to justify Microsoft's actions, you should have
lied about it.
>> And it does not support copy and paste. No big surprise that
>> Microsoft is so corrupt that it is able to ignore the obvious
>> usefulness of copy and paste, probably just to ensure higher
>> profits by making the device unusable for copying data.
> <snipped lotsa yada yada yada>
> ... unlike the old Wi Uo days, Microsoft will release updates to
> end-users directly, a la iPhone, rather than rely on the device
> OEMs to create customized ROMs for each device, so ALL devices
> will get upgraded.
That sounds like some stuff that was in the big United States
versus Microsoft antitrust trial. I am not suggesting Microsoft is
violating antitrust law. See the Findings of Fact for details if
you want to know what I'm talking about.
>> COPY AND PASTE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF COMPUTING.
>>
>> Any company who does not know that should not be in the
>> computer business. You can assume that Microsoft and others are
>> stifling/hindering the technology for the sake of greater
>> profits. Their efforts to constrain users might be successful
>> here in the United States, but not anywhere else.
>
> While I hate to argue with a perfect good and irrational
> conspiracy theory,
You appear to be more of a liar than a technologist. You are
supposed to be technically inclined, and yet you refuse to admit
that COPY AND PASTE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF COMPUTING.
> <snipped lotsa yada yada yada>
> Believe me,
I believe you are as much of a liar as you are a technologist.
> after two months of using WP7, CnP is about 10 or 15 items down
> the list of things I want MS to fix! ;)
Not according to what you have said in the past. But no telling
which is the truth, or maybe all are lies.
Copy and paste is not just a feature, it is a fundamental part of
computing. Copy, cut, and paste, are the primary functions of a
file manager, the most basic user program in a personal computer
operating system.
COPY AND PASTE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF PERSONAL COMPUTING,
THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED PERSONAL COMPUTER OPERATIONS.
Devices that restrain personal computer functionality are unlikely
to succeed in the long run IMO. They certainly discourage those of
us who enjoy making full use of computing devices.
> <snipped a mix of lies and information>
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> From: "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com>
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 9 2010 7:19 pm
From: Todd Allcock
At 09 Dec 2010 19:39:01 +0000 John Doe wrote:
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> > "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote
> >> r_z_aret pen_fact.com wrote:
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> Windows Phone 7, the latest from Microsoft, uses Exchange to
> >>> connect to PCs, which means connection via network, not USB.
> >>
> >> Oh brother. Thanks for the warning.
> >
> >
> > To be fair...
> > <snipped lotsa yada yada yada>
>
> If you were trying to justify Microsoft's actions, you should have
> lied about it.
What's the percentage (for me) in lying? I'm not trying to justify
anything. I'm simply stating that IMO WP7 was rushed to market before it
was really ready. That was MS' gamble, to try to gain some market
traction for the holidays, and they'll see if it pays off.
> >> And it does not support copy and paste. No big surprise that
> >> Microsoft is so corrupt that it is able to ignore the obvious
> >> usefulness of copy and paste, probably just to ensure higher
> >> profits by making the device unusable for copying data.
>
> > <snipped lotsa yada yada yada>
> > ... unlike the old Wi Uo days, Microsoft will release updates to
> > end-users directly, a la iPhone, rather than rely on the device
> > OEMs to create customized ROMs for each device, so ALL devices
> > will get upgraded.
>
> That sounds like some stuff that was in the big United States
> versus Microsoft antitrust trial. I am not suggesting Microsoft is
> violating antitrust law. See the Findings of Fact for details if
> you want to know what I'm talking about.
Interesting point- I'm pretty sure MS wouldn't have had the stones to
release such a locked-down OS if Apple hadn't gotten away with it first.
The MS Martketplace being the only source of apps particularly irks me,
and would have really had the tech press all over them if they had come
up with it first.
> >> COPY AND PASTE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF COMPUTING.
> >>
> >> Any company who does not know that should not be in the
> >> computer business. You can assume that Microsoft and others are
> >> stifling/hindering the technology for the sake of greater
> >> profits. Their efforts to constrain users might be successful
> >> here in the United States, but not anywhere else.
> >
> > While I hate to argue with a perfect good and irrational
> > conspiracy theory,
>
> You appear to be more of a liar than a technologist. You are
> supposed to be technically inclined, and yet you refuse to admit
> that COPY AND PASTE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF COMPUTING.
When did I not admit it? I agreed with you, but you seem to want an
argument rather than a discussion. Again, I agree CnP is a fundamental
part of computing. My point was, as someone who has actually used the
WP7 OS rather than just read about it like you, that it has other, and IMO,
more serious, flaws than the omission of CnP. MS has promised to add CnP
shortly- it's the other things I mentioned that trouble me more, and I
don't know that they'll be addressed anytime soon, if ever.
> > <snipped lotsa yada yada yada>
> > Believe me,
>
> I believe you are as much of a liar as you are a technologist.
>
> > after two months of using WP7, CnP is about 10 or 15 items down
> > the list of things I want MS to fix! ;)
>
> Not according to what you have said in the past. But no telling
> which is the truth, or maybe all are lies.
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but whatever.
> Copy and paste is not just a feature, it is a fundamental part of
> computing. Copy, cut, and paste, are the primary functions of a
> file manager, the most basic user program in a personal computer
> operating system.
Right, but as I said, WP7 has no file manager. The CnP functionality
being added, as MS has promised, will be for moving objects (text, maybe
pictures, etc.) between applications, NOT moving files around.
> COPY AND PASTE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF PERSONAL COMPUTING,
> THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED PERSONAL COMPUTER OPERATIONS.
I believe you've covered that- I don't recall disagreeing with you. I
didn't like it when the iPhone couldn't do it for the first few years,
and I don't like it anymore that WP7 can't. It's one of several reasons
my HD7 is sitting SIM-less on my dresser instead of being in my hand
right now. Again, my point is even if MS waived a magic wand and added
CnP tonight, there'd still be major functionality missing from WP7.
> Devices that restrain personal computer functionality are unlikely
> to succeed in the long run IMO. They certainly discourage those of
> us who enjoy making full use of computing devices.
Tell that to Apple- it seems to have seriously hurt sales of iOS devices,
eh? Apple knew, and MS found out watching them sell 100 million iOS
devices, that "those of us who enjoy making full use of computing
devices" aren't a large enough market segment to cater to. Those of us
who read email on the go and feel the entire world hangs on every pithy
word we upload to Facebook are. WP7 obviously wasn't designed for you or
I.
I don't have to like a design decision to understand why it was
implemented, however. WP7 is a slick little OS that the target marget
will probably enjoy.
Either way, feel free to rant on without me, friend- all six people still
reading this group will appreciate it, I'm sure.
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TOPIC: How to Transfer SMS/ Contacts for Windows Mobile Phone
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/c9e65bc06fef803f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 13 2010 6:02 pm
From: Lei Lee
I recommend iMobileTool Windows Mobile Backup Suite
iMobileTool Windows Mobile Backup Suite 3.10
Requirements: Pocket PC,Windows Mobile 2005,WM5,WM6
Overview: Backup both contacts and SMS from windows mobile to computer;Backup contacts and SMS into Text file format(.txt, .csv file) or Data file format.(.cbf and .sms);Restore contacts and SMS from the backup data files(.cbf and .sms file).
Website: http://imobiletool.com/windows-mobile-backup-suite.html
iMobileTool Windows Mobile Backup Suite is an all-in-one windows mobile backup solution. This suite includes two software packages, the "iMobileTool SMS Backup" and the "iMobileTool Contacts Backup", so with this single package you can backup both contacts and sms messages from your windows mobile phone to computer directly
With Windows Mobile SMS Backup, you can easily backup the SMS to computer as a text file or a SMS file whenever you want. You can choose whether to backup the SMS into a TXT file or a SMS file. By choosing SMS file format, you can use our pc sms manager to view and edit your SMS on computer.
With Windows Mobile Contacts Backup, you can easily backup all contacts to computer as a text file or a .cbf backup file at your will. If you choose to backup into .cbf backup file format, you can even manage these contacts on your computer by the use of our pc contacts manager.
Read More: http://imobiletool.com/windows-mobile-backup-suite.html
> On Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:57 AM 2009 tywiki wrote:
> 3GMobile SMS + Contacts Backup is an app used to backup sms and
> outlook contacts on windows mobile. You could use this software to
> save your mobile outlook contacts and sms as .xml or txt file;Restore
> sms and outlook contacts from pc to mobile phone;Manage sms & outlook
> contacts on pc.
>
> With 3GMobile SMS + Contacts Backup, you can:
> Backup SMS Messages for windows mobile into txt file or .xml backup
> file and save onto your computer
> Restore SMS Messages from a .xml backup file
> Support all SMS default folders (Inbox, Outbox, Drafts, Sent Items,
> Deleted Items) and custom folders.
> Export your outlook contacts into txt file or .xml backup file format
> and save onto your pc
> Edit outlook contacts info on computer directly
> Restore outlook contacts from the .xml backup file
> Support unlimited outlook contacts and SMS backup/restore.
> Fast backup and restore speed
> Fully Support Windows Mobile 5/6.0/6.1/6.5
> Easy to use
>
> https://www.3gmobiletool.com/
>> On Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:43 AM ftr wrote:
>> This Connection is Untrusted
>> You have asked Firefox to connect
>> securely to www.3gmobiletool.com, but we cannot confirm that your
>> connection is secure.
>>
>> Normally, when you try to connect securely,
>> sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are
>> going to the right place. However, this site's identity cannot be verified.
>>
>> So ???
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009 tywiki wrote:
>> Submitted via EggHeadCafe
>> Using DataList to List Category/Subcategory with expand - collapse facility via javascript
>> http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials/aspnet/6b6d6022-60f6-4d05-beaf-7737a1f26987/using-datalist-to-list-categorysubcategory-with-expand--collapse-facility-via-javascript.aspx
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TOPIC: How to remove DRM from Nokia Music Store protected wma from Comes With
Music
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/a6695e003e6a2d0f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 9:41 pm
From: zkxy8723_at_gmail_dot_com@foo.com (kerryzeng)
responding to
http://www.1-script.com/forums/Re-How-to-remove-DRM-from-Nokia-Music-Store-protected-wma-f-article11175--14.htm
kerryzeng wrote:
billkill wrote:
> On Oct 12, 7:21=A0pm, undisclosed wrote:
>> Apple\'s iTunes has been advancing on the way of DRM-free for its
>> online
>> music service, while the Nokia Music Store, another mirror of
>> iTunes\'
>> business modle, is now lagging behind the prevailing current of
>> digital
>> music service once again. Here this tutorial is going to talk about
>> how
>> to remove DRM from Nokia Music Store and Comes With Music Service.
>>
>> LOVE AFFAIR BETWEEN DRM AND NOKIA MUSIC STORE
>> 1. All the music downloaded from Nokis Music Store are
>> DRM-protected
>> WMA files, which is publicly stated on Nokia Music Support, you can
>> find
>> the detailed info from the "Support" section from
>> Nokia\'s offcial
>> website.
>>
>>
>> [image:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/3777554622_9bbb52c971.jpg]
>>
>> 2. Your usage rights is also confined as what the Nokia Music Store
>> authorized:
>>
>>
>> [image:http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3787577929_70644dc27b.jpg]
>>
>> 3. "Comes With Music" is actually "Comes With
>> DRM"
>>
>> The bundled sale of Nokia N97, N96, N95 8GB, N85, N79, XpressMusic
>> 5800
>> / 5320 / 5310 / 5220 and the "Comes With Music Service"
>> is only Nokia\'s
>> another promotion tricks to eat more market share. The music
>> donwloaded
>> through Comes With Music can\'t be transfer to other devices or
>> burn to
>> CD without license.
>>
>> HOW TO REMOVE DRM FROM NOKIA MUSIC STORE
>> This \'DRM Removal Software\'
>> (http://www.all-media-converter.com/media-converter.html#136) is
>> tailor-made to remove DRM license from Nokia Music Store. It can
>> also
>> strip DRM license from iTunes, Zune MarketPlace, Napster, Rhapsody,
>> Spiralfrog, Bearshek, eMusic, Puretracks, MusicGiants, convert the
>> protected WMA songs to Nokia playable MP3, AAC, WMA, M4A.
>>
>> 1. Free download this DRMConverter, install and luanch it, the
>> default
>> settings work well with your PC, you don\'t need to make anymore
>> reconfigeration.
>>
>>
>> [image:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/3692904204_eb5f7f9fa6.jpg]
>>
>> 2. When come to the main interface, you can directly drag-drop
>> target
>> music file to the conversion window, or hit the top-left \'Add\'
>> button to
>> import the target files, it supports batch conversion. Then click
>> \'setting\' to choose output format you like, as well as the bit
>> rate.
>> (192 Kbps WMA is recommended)
>>
>>
>> [image:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2621/3680483419_381047c673.jpg]
>>
>> 3. After that, click \'start\' button lower-right on the main
>> window,
>> conversion will soon be done, then you can freely share or transfer
>> songs from Nokia Music Store without any ristriction!
>>
>> WHAT IF YOU WANT TO PLAY DVD MOVIE ON NOKIA SMARTPHONE
>> If you want to transfer DVD movie to Nokia, this \'DVD
>> Ripper +VideoConverter\'
>> (http://www.aimersoft.com/video-converter.html#136) can help to
>> crack
>> DVD CSS protection, split DVD movie to clips, and convert them to
>> Nokia
>> compatible audio &videoformats.
>>
>>
>> [image:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2562/3692122631_bb2833a868.jpg]
>>
>> FOR MAC USERS
>> If you\'re a Mac-based user, this \'iMediaConverterfor
>> Mac\' (http://www.iskysoft.com/imedia-converter-mac.html#136) =A0is
>> an ideal choice.
>>
>>
>> [image:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2616/3728343203_e07fac2bf7.jpg]
>>
>> The conversion process is the same easy and simple as illustrated
>> above, here I just saved it.
>>
>> *Tips*:
>>
>> The DRM Removal and DVD Ripper software mentioned above can do even
>> more jobs by converting all the popular media formats like M4P,
>> M4B,
>> M4V, WMV, ASF, WMA, MP4, M4A, AVI (Divx/Xvid), MOV, 3GP, 3G2,
>> CD.dat,
>> DVD.vob, h.264, HD(.m2ts; .tp; .trp; .ts), HD(.mp4; .wmv; .asf;
>> .mpg;
>> .vob; .mov; avi), DV, NSV, NUT, Real audio &video(.rm; .ra;
>> .ram;
>> .rmvb), FLV, FLAC, AIFF, SWF, MPG, MP3, AC3, OGG, APE, AAC, WAV,
>> MKV,
>> MKA, etc.
>>
>> They support not only Nokia phone, but also the other digital
>> player as
>> iPod, iPhone, PSP, PS3, Zune, Xbox, Creative Zen, Archos, Iriver,
>> Sansa,
>> Blackberry, Samsung, Sonywalkman, Nokia, HTC, LG, Moto, Cowon,
>> Pocket
>> PC, etc
>>
>> Enjoy your digital life!
>>
>> --
>> alexxzone
> You can try VideoMax Free Video Converter at free-star.org or CNET.
> http://www.free-star.org/free-video-converter.html
-------------------------------------
http://www.leawo.com/dvd-ripper/
Convert videos and audios among popular formats! Leawo Video Converter is
an all-in-one best video converter for downloading to convert videos among
popular formats like AVI, MPEG, WMV, MP4, FLV, RM, MOV, XviD, 3GP, etc.,
transform audios between MP3, WMA, WAV, M4A, AAC and AC3 audios, and
create fascinating photos from video files. With this video converter
downloaded and the video converted, you may easily get the specific video
format watched on TV, played on portable media players, loaded to mobile
phones, or put on websites, etc.
Leawo Video Converter has all the capabilities to provide you a product
with outstanding quality. This video converter also offers additional
ingenious features of clipping, cropping and adjusting effects to assist
you to enhance movie effects and create more featured movies.
Note: VOB files on DVD are usually encrypted. To decrypt and convert DVD
movies, please use Leawo DVD Ripper.
http://www.leawo.com/leawo-video-converter/
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 14 2010 9:45 pm
From: zkxy8723_at_gmail_dot_com@foo.com (kerryzeng)
responding to
http://www.1-script.com/forums/Re-How-to-remove-DRM-from-Nokia-Music-Store-protected-wma-f-article11175--14.htm
kerryzeng wrote:
Convert videos and audios among popular formats! Leawo Video Converter is
an all-in-one best video converter for downloading to convert videos among
popular formats like AVI, MPEG, WMV, MP4, FLV, RM, MOV, XviD, 3GP, etc.,
transform audios between MP3, WMA, WAV, M4A, AAC and AC3 audios, and
create fascinating photos from video files. With this video converter
downloaded and the video converted, you may easily get the specific video
format watched on TV, played on portable media players, loaded to mobile
phones, or put on websites, etc.
Leawo Video Converter has all the capabilities to provide you a product
with outstanding quality. This video converter also offers additional
ingenious features of clipping, cropping and adjusting effects to assist
you to enhance movie effects and create more featured movies.
Note: VOB files on DVD are usually encrypted. To decrypt and convert DVD
movies, please use Leawo DVD Ripper.
http://www.leawo.com/dvd-ripper/
http://www.leawo.com/leawo-video-converter/
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TOPIC: Windows mobile Contacts Backup - How to backup contacts from mobile
phone to pc
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/770f2e4f4ff3dcb5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 21 2010 6:36 pm
From: dolphin200988 dolphin200988
Now I found and recommend this third party software called "G o d swMobile Contacts Transfer" for Windows Mobile phone to transfer contacts to your laptop computer.
http://www.godswmobile.com/index.html
> On Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:08 PM undisclosed wrote:
> WINDOWS MOBILE CONTACTS BACKUP - HOW TO BACKUP CONTACTS FROM MOBILE
> PHONE TO PC
> Many Windows Mobile Phone users found it hard to backup their contacts
> to computer or manage them on it. Now iMobileTool contacts Backup offers
> a full mobile contacts backup solution to backing up all contacts to
> computer for Windows Mobile Phones. Here is the step by step guide:
>
> '*How to install iMobileTool Contacts Backup ?*'
> (http://tinyurl.com/yc33l3l)
> '*How to backup contacts from windows mobile to computer?*'
> (http://tinyurl.com/yc33l3l)
> '*How to restore contacts to windows mobile phone?*'
> (http://tinyurl.com/yc33l3l)
> '*How to manage windows mobile contacts on computer ?*'
> (http://tinyurl.com/ycvdb8k)
>
> HOW TO INSTALL IMOBILETOOL CONTACTS BACKUP?
> Step 1. Download iMobileTool Contacts Backup from '*HERE*'
> (http://imobiletool.com/download.html)
> Step 2. Check the system version of your mobile phone. Select *"Start"
> -> "Settings" -> "System" -> "About"*.
>
> [image: http://imobiletool.com/images/windows-mobile-version.jpg]
>
> Step 3. Copy the installation file "iMobileToolContactsBackupSetup.CAB"
> with the right version as you have checked to your mobile device. You
> may need to connect your device to a host computer using ActiveSync. You
> can also transfer the file using a memory card.
> Step 4. On your device, navigate to the location of the CAB file using
> File Explorer. Click on the CAB file (displayed as the following
> screenshot) and click "Install" to begin installation.
>
> [image:
> http://imobiletool.com/images/guides/how-to-backup-contacts-for-windows-mobile-1.jpg]
>
> Step 5. Now installation completes. Select "OK" to continue.
>
> DONE. [/B]
>
> *HOW TO BACKUP CONTACTS FROM WINDOWS MOBILE TO COMPUTER ?
> Step 1. Click *"start"* and then select programs. You will see the
> follow screen:
>
> [image:
> http://imobiletool.com/images/guides/how-to-backup-contacts-for-windows-mobile-2.jpg]
>
> Step 2. Run *"ContactsBackup"*. You will see the follow screenshot:
>
> [image:
> http://imobiletool.com/images/guides/how-to-backup-contacts-for-windows-mobile-3.jpg]
>
> Step 3. Click *"Backup"* button, and then you will see the follow
> screenshot:
>
> [image:
> http://imobiletool.com/images/guides/how-to-backup-contacts-for-windows-mobile-4.jpg]
>
> Now you will want to input a backup file name, select folder, choose a
> backup file type(txt file or cbf file) and select a save location.
>
>
> Step 4. Then click *"Save" *to start backup
>
> [image:
> http://imobiletool.com/images/guides/how-to-backup-contacts-for-windows-mobile-5.jpg]
>
> Step 5. After backup completes, you can see the backup file on your
> phone and transfer it to your computer easily by ActiveSync.
>
> DONE. *
>
> *HOW TO RESTORE CONTACTS TO WINDOWS MOBILE PHONE ?*
>
> STEP 1. RUN *\"CONTACTSBACKUP\"*. YOU WILL SEE THE FOLLOW SCREENSHOT:
>
> [image:
> HTTP://IMOBILETOOL.COM/IMAGES/GUIDES/HOW-TO-BACKUP-CONTACTS-FOR-WINDOWS-MOBILE-3.JPG]
>
> STEP 2. CLICK THE *\"RESTORE\"* BUTTON,AND THEN YOU WILL SEE THE FOLLOW
> SCREENSHOT:
>
> [image:
> HTTP://IMOBILETOOL.COM/IMAGES/GUIDES/HOW-TO-BACKUP-CONTACTS-FOR-WINDOWS-MOBILE-6.JPG]
>
> STEP 3. SELECT THE FILE YOU WANT TO RESTORE AND CLICK *\"OK\"* TO
> RESTORE:
>
> [image:
> HTTP://IMOBILETOOL.COM/IMAGES/GUIDES/HOW-TO-BACKUP-CONTACTS-FOR-WINDOWS-MOBILE-7.JPG]
>
> *DONE.
> '[B]How to manage windows mobile contacts on computer ?*'
> (http://tinyurl.com/ycvdb8k)
> '*Free Download iMobileTool Contacts Backup and have a try.*'
> (http://imobiletool.com/download.html)
>
>
> --
> JohnBi
>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:29 AM su wingssu wrote:
>> i prefer to the Godswmobile transfer suite ,because of it contains an app both to view and edit the sms and contacts on PC.
>>
>> I was always looking for a good backup tool while I am using my Samsung Pro B7610 which with Windows Mobile system 6.1,and I didn't think there is a Functional program until I met "Godsw Mobile Transfer suite ".It gives me lots of convenience,I will not worry about how to deal with the large number of my messages and my contacts.This backup tool is compatible with windows mobile system 5.0 and 6.0.
>>> On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:52 PM weibin.li Jackys07 wrote:
>>> I remember there is a software called ?godswmobile contacts transfer?,I forget its public website.You can search the name on google. But it seems to fit for system ?Windows Mobile 5 system? or ?Windows Mobile 6 system? only. So you?d better check your cellphone system before you use this software.Goodluck to you!
>>> Submitted via EggHeadCafe
>>> Microsoft ASP.NET For Beginners
>>> http://www.eggheadcafe.com/training-topic-area/ASP-NET/7/ASP.aspx
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Big Bertha Thing progress
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/6fa4cc45216fb9ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 10:43 am
From: Tony Lance
Big Bertha Thing progress
Cosmic Ray Series
Possible Real World System Constructs
http://www.bigberthathing.com/progress.html
Access page to 6K Web page
Astrophysics net ring access site
Newsgroup Reviews including uk.transport
The Progress of Discontent
by T. Warton
(Written at Oxford in 1746)
From the book
Half-hours With the Best Authors
The "Chandos Classics"
Edited by Charles Knight
Published by Frederick Warne and Co. 1890
Big Bertha Thing besides
Some people think that Big Bertha is less suitable for the
OUSA Astronomy Conf., than for OUSA Classical Particle Conf.
Have they heard the long name for CP Conf?
High Energy Particle Physics Rock Hard Science With a Fringe
Perspective.
They think that is a better place to put Big Bertha.
They must be besides themselves, which proves the thing.
(C) Copyright Tony Lance 1998
To comply with my copyright,
please distribute complete and free of charge.
Tony Lance
mickalice@big-bertha-thing.com
Big Bertha Thing handcart
1. Gardening section of Daily Telegraph, on Saturday
17th November 2001, shows full front page spread
picture of pin-wheel rickshaw.
2. For another picture see;-
http://www.tonylance.talktalk.net/pinwheel.html
3. Both show load perfectly distributed.
4. Both are idealized pictures of a rickshaw that does
not exist.
5. A 19th century cheque-book journalist requested a
picture of an unnusual rickshaw, which was promised
for tomorrow.
6. A portrait painter, a landscape artist and a
cartoonist submitted quotes, which the cartoonist won.
7. A wheelborrow uses straight arm technology.
8. In common with a handcart, the so called pin-wheel
rickshaw, uses bent arm technology.
9. It is physically impossible and so unviable.
10. This is a scientific cartoon, some work, some don't.
Tony Lance
tonylance@bigberthathing.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hi there,
Wow! The posting below is definitely off-topic; to the detriment of
newsgroups.
It is also in restraint of trade and anti-trust.
Microsoft has just spammed 500 newgroups, with the posting. (see
below)
Thank you,
Tony Lance
tonylance@bigberthathing.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <n...@microsoft.com>
Date: Oct 9, 11:38 pm
Subject: Last and Final Reminder - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution
of Community
To: microsoft.public.msn.discussion
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Big Bertha Thing invite
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/a8c6e482056c16d4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 11:02 am
From: Tony Lance
Big Bertha Thing invite
Cosmic Ray Series
Possible Real World System Constructs
http://www.bigberthathing.com/invite.html
Access page to 55K Zip File
Astrophysics net ring access site
Newsgroup Reviews including alt.politics.bush
301 files from newsone.net newsgroup posting activities. (Model
format)
60 Newsgroup postings were deleted, after 15 hours.
There were claims of major hacker attack,
which turned to abashed embarassment.
It turned out that the NSP owner,
had sent out a world-wide posting.
It invited all users, who had forgotten their passwords,
to just leave it blank. Then a new confirmation password
would be sent. Cinderela was invited to the ball.
Thank you,
Tony Lance
Big Bertha Thing format
Anybody heard of the fly-paper trap?
Where all the flies are collected, in an unsightly mess,
hanging from the kitchen ceiling.
The expensive version is the lizard with a long tongue,
that retracts after each catch.
Take an uncensored version of a usenet newsgroup,
show the subject line of each thread header,
with the total number of postings and the net
number of postings after extracts.
Put the total number of extracts, in the first line,
at the top of the list of postings.
Anyone wishing to search the extracts clicks on it
and finds each person extracted with 2 lines each.
The first line shows the number of thread headers
and the second the number of replies.
Further clicks go down to posting level.
Extract everyone with more than 1000 postings
on any single newsgroup, from all newsgroups.
Examples of the fly-paper trap can be found on:-
http://www.bigberthathing.com/news.html
http://www.bigberthathing.com/want04.html
Tony Lance
tonylance@bigberthathing.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "David W. Fenton" <XXXuse...@dfenton.com.invalid>
Date: May 30, 6:57 pm
Subject: Any suggestion for Access forums after June 1?
To: microsoft.public.access.formscoding
"Arvin Meyer [MVP]" <arv...@mvps.invalid>
wrote innews:e4I1u4t$KHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
> The Microsoft NNTP newsgroups will close.
No, no, no, no.
Usenet simply doesn't work that way.
The MS NNTP server will close, and the web interface to that server
will be gone.
But the newsgroups can and will continue to be propagated on all the
other NNTP servers that carry them.
Now, it's possible for MS to issue a rmgroup command, but those are
so easily forged that most NNTP servers have been ignoring them for
eons, so it's unlikely that any effort MS makes to cleanse Usenet of
its public newsgroups will work.
I recently read that the "powers that be" are considering creating a
bunch of new MS newsgroups in the comp.* hieararchy to replace the
ms.public newsgroups, so keep your eyes open for that.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
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TOPIC: SEX Videos of KATE WINSLET
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/a1bda6aefb8cc684?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 2:15 am
From: "kirankumarky@gmail.com"
Due to some premises i have HIDDEN the Videos&FORM in an
IMAGE.....CLICK on the IMAGE below the SEARCH BOX http://www.webinfos4all.euro.st
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TOPIC: Big Bertha Thing gamma
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/4c82c65d8cb1624e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 10 2011 10:46 am
From: Tony Lance
Big Bertha Thing gamma
Cosmic Ray Series
Possible Real World System Constructs
http://www.bigberthathing.com/gamma.html
Access page JPG 81K Image
Astrophysics net ring Access site
Newsgroup Reviews inluding alt.sci.planetary
Round photographic plates.
Caption;-
A photograph of the tracks of electrons,
ejected by the gamma rays from radium,
after these had been filtered, through 2.5 cm. of steel.
Some of the electrons have energies of 1 MeV.
The photograph was taken, with a magnetic field of 12,000 oersteds.
From a book by
J.D.Stranathan Ph.D.,
Professor of Physics and Chairman of
Department, University of Kansas.
The "Particles" of Modern Physics.
(C) Copyright The Blakston Co. 1942
Big Bertha Thing effort
If you see someone slogging away, but doing it all wrong.
Please remember, a great effort, with no results,
is worth more than a great result with no effort.
The first is purchased at great cost and the latter,
in terms of cost, is worthless.
(C) Copyright Tony Lance 1997.
To comply with my copyright,
please distribute complete and free of charge.
Tony Lance
tonylance@bigberthathing.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tony Lance <judemarie@bigberthathing.co.uk>
Date: Jan 25 2007, 2:17 pm
Subject: Big Bertha Thing tactics
To: sci.chem
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
24 February 1998 18:22:42
OUSA Astronomy Item
From: Frank Hollis
Subject: Re(2): Big Bertha Thing positron
To: OUSA Astronomy Caroline Walcot,oufcnt2.open.ac.uk writes:
I don't see what pics of a positron particle (??) have to do with a
conference on
Astronomy, which is basically stargazing and astrophysics and mainly
optics.
Surely all this Big Bertha stuff should be diverted to a physics
conference such as S271?
cheers
Caroline
Or even better, the conference that was specifically set up for
exactly this material,
moderated by Spammer in Chief - Tony Lance.
Frank
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TOPIC: Good UK Smartphone sites?
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/767029da049249a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 5:01 pm
From: bRAINS
http://www.justservices.com/smart.html
Anyone know of better pls?
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TOPIC: VTD-XML 2.10
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/3528062b96492798?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 5:53 pm
From: dontcare
VTD-XML 2.10 is now released in Java, C#, C and C++. It can be
downloaded at
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vtd-xml/files/vtd-xml/ximpleware_2.10/.
This release includes a number of new features and enhancement.
* The core API of VTD-XML has been expanded. Users can now perform
cut/paste/insert on an empty element.
* This release also adds the support of deeper location cache support
for parsing and indexing. This feature is useful for application
performance tuning for processing various XML documents.
* The java version also added support for processing zip and gzip
files. Direct processing of httpURL based XML is enhanced.
* Extended Java version now support Iso-8859-10~16 encoding.
* A full featured C++ port is released.
* C version of VTD-XML now make use of thread local storage to achieve
thread safety for multi-threaded application.
* There are also a number of bugs fixed. Special thanks to Jozef
Aerts, John Sillers, Chris Tornau and a number of other users for
input and suggestions
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TOPIC: generic rndis driver
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/92ef2e987f1aa1b7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 3 2011 6:33 am
From: a gh
I have the same.... i need it's driver... please help me
> On Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:04 PM mresanche wrote:
> I just got a T-Mobile Dash Phone. It comes with Windows Mobile 6. I'm
> running Windows XP SP2.
>
> When I connect the phone via USB, my laptop says that it found a Generic
> RNDIS Device. It then asks me for the driver, but I can't find it. I've
> called T-Mobile. They are lost. I need help finding the driver. I've gone
> to Windows Update and it is not listed there either. I've googled and MSDNed
> it too. Nothing.
>
> Is there a download for just the RNDIS Driver?
> --
> Edgar
>> On Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:50 PM Todd Allcock wrote:
>> At 23 Aug 2007 13:04:03 -0700 mresanchez wrote:
>> I'm
>> Generic
>> I've
>> I've gone
>> and MSDNed
>>
>> Not that I'm aware of. It's part of Activesync or WMDC, the sync
>> software for XP and Vista, respectively. After you install the sync
>> software onyour PC, the "Generic RNDIS" driver will load when needed.
>>
>> --
>>
>> "I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
>> or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
>> all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
>> ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
>>> On Friday, August 24, 2007 10:50 AM mresanche wrote:
>>> Hi Todd,
>>>
>>> Thanks. I installed the ActiveSync but did not solve the issue. I will
>>> uninstall and try again. I will keep you posted.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Edgar
>>>> On Friday, August 24, 2007 6:25 PM Todd Allcock wrote:
>>>> At 24 Aug 2007 07:50:03 -0700 mresanchez wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another thought- if your device has it (not all do) go to the USB-to-
>>>> PC option under "Connections" and UNcheck "enable advanced network
>>>> functionality."
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> "I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
>>>> or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
>>>> all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
>>>> ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:16 AM mresanche wrote:
>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> I uninstalled, ran CCleaner, and then re-install from the CD that came w/
>>>>> the phone. It works now.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I did wrong, (i think), was that during my previous installation I
>>>>> selected "Custom" and someone that bit of code didn't install the driver
>>>>> needed. This last time, I selected the "standard" installation and that took
>>>>> longer to install, more screens went by, and it finally worked.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to confirm that the checkbox "enable advanced network
>>>>> functionality." is NOT checked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Edgar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Todd Allcock" wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:15 PM haresh thakawani wrote:
>>>>>> same as above
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:12 PM Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>>>>>>> haresh thakawani wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll find it in the \Program Files\ActiveSync\drivers directory
>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 05, 2009 2:49 AM ogundipe adeniyi wrote:
>>>>>>>> Good day, happy new year, I have gone through all web site the driver can not be downloaded why?
>>>>>>>> but need it in able to download some of my documments to my computer
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>> ogundipe A
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 13, 2009 4:12 PM atif ali wrote:
>>>>>>>>> please send me the driver.
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:39 AM romulo catulong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> my computer always asking the gereric rndis driver when i pluging the usb in
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:43 AM romulo catulong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> my computer always asking the gereric rndis driver when i plug my i mate k jam pc pocket mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 20, 2009 3:07 AM boonyarit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are required to be a member to post replies. After logging in or becoming a member, you will be redirected back to this page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:27 AM Amin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are required to be a member to post replies. After logging in or becoming a member, you will be redirected back to this page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:14 AM naeem wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are required to be a member to post replies. After logging in or becoming a member, you will be redirected back to this page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:29 AM yahia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are required to be a member to post replies. After logging in or becoming a member, you will be redirected back to this page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 21, 2009 6:06 PM mauricio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hgjygutfugqjhgufuygtfutyfy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:11 PM Peter Adser-Larsen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject devise is needed for my Laptop in order to syncronise my Outlook Calender etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:50 AM Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Adser-Larsen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You will find it on the Activesync CD or as part of the package.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:55 PM Satoshi SASAKI wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:56 PM Satoshi SASAKI wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:57 PM Satoshi SASAKI wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 29, 2010 5:40 PM maher mohamed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:16 PM jeancarlos martes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:10 AM dinesh patil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my computer always asking the gereric rndis driver when i pluging the usb in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Submitted via EggHeadCafe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SharePoint Get Attachment with Attachment Icon Using Javascript
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials/aspnet/84606954-21c2-4038-a9ed-bcbd525f978e/sharepoint-get-attachment-with-attachment-icon-using-javascript.aspx
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TOPIC: Windows Phone7 Samsung Focus Sucks
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/9f54167ac27f7bdf?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 10:01 pm
From: "ghelf"
I thought surely a windows phone would seamlessly synch my music files &
Outlook files I had on my Vista laptop without the need to install 3rd party
software. No way. First you have to download and install some software
called "Zune". I did this and after trying to figure out what I needed to do
to get a synch operation going I found out only 4 of my 18 alblums would
copy over. Every time I would do something to get my phone to see the other
music files, the Zone software would direct me to the Zune market place
where music was offered for a price.
The next issue concerned synching my Outlook files. Apparently you have to
register an account at the Zune software site and keep your Outlook files
there in order to synch your files. The site asks you for all sorts of
information like you are setting up some kind of Face Book account. I just
want to listen to my music, not make friends.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 11:22 pm
From: Todd Allcock
At 09 Mar 2011 22:01:08 -0800 ghelf wrote:
> I thought surely a windows phone would seamlessly synch my music files
> & Outlook files I had on my Vista laptop without the need to install
> 3rd party software. No way. First you have to download and install some
> software called "Zune".
Well, to be fair, Zune isn't "3rd party software." It's Microsoft media
management and sync software for Microsoft's Zune-based players, of which
Windows Phone 7 devices are. It's essentially MS' version of iTunes.
> I did this and after trying to figure out what
> I needed to do to get a synch operation going I found out only 4 of my
> 18 alblums would copy over.
Has the Zune software "found" all of your albums? It taks anywhere from
a few minutes to a half-hour the first time, depending on the number you
have. Zune, by default only looks in the "standard" Windows music
andvideo folders (and their subfolders.)
Put the media anywhere else and Zune can't find it unless you tell it
where to look. (Which can be specified in the Zune settings.)
> Every time I would do something to get my
> phone to see the other music files, the Zone software would direct me
> to the Zune market place where music was offered for a price.
You were probably searching for an album Zune hadn't found yet, so it
took you shopping when it couldn't find it on your PC,.
> The next issue concerned synching my Outlook files.
By "files" I assume you mean Calendar and Contacts data?
> Apparently you have
> to register an account at the Zune software site and keep your Outlook
> files there in order to synch your files.
No, in fact Zune will not sync Outlook data at all- just media. With WP7
all contacts and calendar data is synced over the air, either with an
Exchange server, GMail, or Live/Hotmail.
To sync with a PC, you must use Exchange ($$) or Live (free) as an
intermediary. I wrote up a how-to for a friend's website. It's available
here:
http://windowsphoneconcierge.com/faq.html
But, in a nutshell, you need to setup the Outlook Connector for Hotmail
on your PC which will sync your PC to a Live/Hotmail account, and then
sync your phone with the same account.
> The site asks you for all
> sorts of information like you are setting up some kind of Face Book
> account. I just want to listen to my music, not make friends.
That's the "Zune Social." Don't use it if you don't want to. It doesn't
affect the phone.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 10 2011 6:51 pm
From: "ghelf"
>> Every time I would do something to get my
>> phone to see the other music files, the Zone software would direct me
>> to the Zune market place where music was offered for a price.
>
> You were probably searching for an album Zune hadn't found yet, so it
> took you shopping when it couldn't find it on your PC,.
>
I did move my music folder from it's default location to a memory a high
capacity memory card and I can't remember if I did it before or after
installing Zune software. I did adjust Zune settings to look at the memory
card. Can I get Zune to rescan my computer for music? When I click
"Collection" it just shows me the 4 alblums that did successfully transfer
over.
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TOPIC: Big Bertha Thing particle
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.smartphone/t/908dd1f0c2e9113f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 11:01 am
From: Tony Lance
Big Bertha Thing particle
Cosmic Ray Series
Possible Real World System Constructs
http://www.bigberthathing.com/structur.html
7K Web Page
Astrophysics net ring Access site
Newsgroup Reviews including sci.med.nutrition
Outlandish Particle Periodic Table in Structure Order.
From Pastures Software Package Documentation.
(Particle Structure Results Program, in Fortran 77.)
Sub-atomic Mesons, Baryons and Leptons Classification System.
(C) Copyright Tony Lance 1997
Distribute complete and free of charge to comply.
Big Bertha Thing repairs
If it is not broken, do not fix it.
Some parts of the project may need repairing.
If you cannot fix it, with a good suggestion,
then do not take it apart, in the first place,
with a bad one.
Tony Lance
tonylance@bigberthathing.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tony Lance <judema...@bigberthathing.co.uk>
Date: Aug 27 2007, 4:54 pm
Subject: Big Bertha Thing moisture
To: swnet.sci.astro, comp.std.c
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:13:12 -0700, kuyper <kuy...@wizard.net> wrote:
>Marcus Strömberg wrote:
>> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:55:43 +0100 skrev Tony Lance:
Hi James,
Date: Mon, May 21st 2001 14:33:41
From:JamesKuyper <kuy...@gscmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
To: Tony Lance <tonyla...@bravenet.net>
Subject: Re:Big Bertha Thing reason
On Mon, 21 May 2001, you wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2001 10:05:14 -0400JamesKuyper
<kuy...@gscmail.gsfc.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >On Sun, 20 May 2001, you wrote:
> >> On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:04:48 -0400 "JamesKuyper Jr."
> >> <kuy...@wizard.net> wrote:
> >> >Why do you keep posting this message on comp.std.c; as far as I can
> >> >tell, it's completely irrelevant to that newsgroup.
> >>Big Bertha Thing reason (see at end)
> >I'm sorry; I can't make head nor tail of your "reason".
> Hi James,
> Your wizard address does not work, even though you use it on usenet.
Most people have no trouble reaching me at that address. Perhaps as a
known spammer my ISP filters you out when you try to mail me at the
wizard.net address? However, in that case it's odd that you can reach
me through my NASA address; NASA usually has much better filters than
my ISP does.
> For a strategic overview you need to see;-
>http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/tonylance/series.html (disabled)
http://www.bigberthathing.com/series.html (Ed.)
> Try one of the 36K pages.
> For a weapon to work effectively, only the target needs to know, that
> he has been blown up. These guys know for sure.
I'm afraid I still don't understand. What's the weapon? Who's the
target? Who's using the weapon? Why is the weapon being used on the
target?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
Hi James,
six years later try this reply:-
Big Bertha is the name of a lady tramp in the cartoon series the
Tramps.
It is also the name of a german artillary field piece mounted on a
railway
carriage, used to bombard Paris.Big Bertha Thing is a scientific
cartoon series,
some work, some don't.
It is also a siege canon, assault rifle and first aid tent. (Carafat)
The anecdotes, poems and jokes, at the end of each postings (2nd
place),
started as postcards to the first aid tent. When it was attacked by
left wing moderators at university, they became assault rifle bullits.
They were then upgraded to artillary shells by the addition of
pictures
of sub-atomic particles, which looked like shell holes.
(gamma, electron, proton, positron and positive.)
Some additions were part of a scientific project.
(summation, extract, pastures, moisture, features, letter, outlandish)
Mathematical - PI
Contextual in terms of battle.
(pathos, tidings, sedan, chair, tidings, pin-wheel, progress,
balloon,
hacked, invite)
Scientific (spider, coil, gyro, monorail, halfrail, dwarf, burster,
uniform, lightcraft, unified, fusion.)
Collections of postings. (battle, faculty, retrenchment, redoubt,
mathematics and astronomy.)
http://www.bigberthathing.com/series.html
Thank you,
Tony Lance
judema...@bigberthathing.co.uk
Monday, November 10, 1997 01:41:47 PM
Message
From: Tony Lance
Subject: Big Bertha
To: OUSA Classical Particle
Hey! I've just found out, something really interesting.
For the next three months, this conference is the only
crap-shoot in town.
So step right up and try Big Bertha, otherwise known as
Pastures.
Just two things;-
1. If you see someone slogging away, but doing it all wrong.
Please remember, a great effort, with no results, is worth
more than a great result with no effort. The first is purchased
at great cost and the latter, in terms of cost, is worthless.
2. If it is not broken, do not fix it. Some parts of the project
may need repairing. If you cannot fix it, with a good suggestion,
then do not take it apart, in the first place, with a bad one.
Thank you,
Tony Lance
NB Subject Big Bertha and 'Just two things:-' gives brand name:-
Big Bertha Thing
Big Bertha Thing 3
Big Bertha Thing farm
Big Bertha Thing battle,farm (common)
Big Bertha Thing battle,farm,fusion (common, message)
There is an old joke about prisoners, who know all the old jokes,
so they gave them numbers. A new prisoner on finding out what is
going on, decides to call out a number. Nothing. Zilch. Dinada.
On querying this, he is told, that it is the way he tells them.
The parts of Big Bertha called common are based on this principle.
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